I always read it like shes yodeling at me. The former is what you usually say when you make yourself known to somebody. Please let me know when it is completed. All afternoon we received hundreds of emails remove me from email list and please do not reply all. Senior c-suite exec was pissed and scheduled everyone who responded to that email for a session on email etiquette. This is interesting. Hello Dears. If you're on the conservative side, you may want to just take my word for it. Its like saying, I wont be thanking you after youve done the work.. I think the reason the qualifiers miff people is that they have the exact opposite of the intended effect. However, the flight I was supposed to send it on was cancelled. I think youre too stupid to realize that Ive asked you a question and I want an answer. The result is now that my partner and I needful each other all the time. It's the best online service that I have ever used! Would people be shocked? Me too. I think in the emails in this discussion the term is almost used out of context due to the monkey see, monkey do concept. Its super formal feeling, but Im told that literally everything else will be misinterpreted by someone. var s = d.createElement("script"), tag = d.getElementsByTagName("script")[0]; I also tend to work in industries where if someone wants to make it known that they are upset, they will be a lot more blatent about it than saying Please advise.. if you wish. In his defense, hes like 70-something, but whoo boy. tag.parentNode.insertBefore(s, tag); Ive received what are your thoughts? / please advise / do you have input/feedback? and all of them seemed appropriate to the situation. Or if she explained something to you one on one and you seemed iffy, shed ask if you have a doubt. I live in the south. Yes, sounds good to me. = Sentence Notice that I switched the Verb and the Subject in the original question. I was thinking this too. I admit that I use it a little more often when Im frustrated about something, but there are times when it really is the best possible phrase to use in my opinion. Important part: Dont say anything you dont mean or that isnt true. It comes across as condescending to me. Like us on Facebook by clicking the like button below: Share TextRanch on Facebook by clicking on the button below. + Read the full interview, I started to use TextRanch when I began to learn English. Its *extremely* useful. 3. It feels like a power play. The recipient is dealing with a quality crisis related to last months collector teapot and all other work has been postponed until early next week. They are rarely, if ever, able to clearly articulate their reason(s) and at that point, I ask them to please refrain from using it in communicating with me. Passive-aggressive or something. And, since it apparently means please do what it takes to fulfill my request, I have a feeling that, even if it translated well into English, itd still drive people up the wall. The. Philomena, Im like, . Thats going to tip it towards a stern request that you fix something without any further input from them. Me too. It took over half the year for the nun to catch on to what all those little slashes in the corners of our papers meant. give you my account number) or a check issued in favor of my person. By continuing to use this website, you agree to our Terms of Service. It would be considered very unusual for me to simply call someone, though. I regularly use please advise and reading this question made me so upset! I think rocky relationships with colleagues and/or managers can have someone interpret all correspondence with some level of snark, condescending, shouting, bossy etc in tone even if it is genuinely not the case. Consider following us @archetype_origins on Instagram for more content, we post on a regular basis. Some additional tips: The more time slots you suggest the better. Is it yes to option 1, 2, or 3? Just kidding. I think thats kind of the same though I mostly get those when Im out of the office, and take it as a sign that theyre not expecting me to be available to take calls at any particular moment. if (w.addEventListener) { One thing you can do, is watch how other people close their emails and steal the best ideas from what you see. I have to add something along the lines of Please let me know xyz or Let me know if there is anything else, or I might even cordially thank them for their help in advance. But that is definitely a personal preference issue. I use Please Advise as a last ditch effort to obtain a response from a decision maker in my companys corporate office. 0. . I often use it with my boss or MOR to get their advice i.e. I tend to think that sometimes when we become sensitive to these types of things there are more issues at play. Words come into popularity and after a bit they fall into disfavor. 3. Seems polite, like thanks for reading(? Also, I dont mind it at all if people skip leaving me voicemail and instead email or IM with a request for me to call them back. The latter has a different meaning. Ha, this post brings back memories. Prefacing the word reminder with gentle or friendly is a feeble attempt to soften the blow. Do they already have cause the be upset with you? Yes, my grandmother who was born in the late 1800s as a young woman worked in the field all day and then at lunch break the men stretched out under a tree while she and other women served them lunch and then everyone went back to work. Whats the verdict? She was ticked, but it did not stop her. Even better still. You are incredibly annoying and childish. I do use IM chats for quick questions. It definitely gets results. Don't use the phrase, "Hope this helps" in an email. Also updated EXPENSE sheet Ie, if youre reading along and you encounter a word you dont understand, you drop everything and look it up, right then and there. Thanks! If I am sending our a reminder, I usually just type just following up on the message I sent to you last week about A, B, and C or i just wanted to see if you had a chance to look at that e-mail I had sent to you the other day I do agree that it is hard to find a way to remind someone about something when you are just not sure if they had forgotten or if they are just swamped and are dealing with higher priorities. I think the world would be a somewhat nicer place if everyone did this. Me too. Im too stupid to even attempt to determine what the next course of action might be, so Im not even going to suggest anything. Me: I havent heard back about who should be the signatory on this document. If the e-mail is sent out to a distribution list (scenario Im envisioning) its hard to think of any circumstance where it would be appropriate to reply all. I dont use it for folks who actually read the emails and pay attention to the important bits. It was almost like a rhetorical statement, since we all already knew the mistake had been made or the deadline had been missed. *taps foot*. I use Please Advise constantly when I have no idea what the actual question would normally be. One comment noted that please advise can be the equivalent of a punt: Heres this crappy thing Ive been trying to deal with. Please advise. The servers youve asked me to scan dont exist. Heeeeelllllloooooooo? I wish I could find out about Textranch earlier. Please advise brought to mind this very accurate post: http://thebillfold.com/2014/06/office-speak-defined/. ), Oh, and our organization likes to close emails with Very Respectfully. I always get back with the tardy person and ask them if they need something else/anything before they can reply. Currently leaning toward Option 2 or Option 4. I often use please advise when faxing physicians to clarify a prescription. Did you make a decision already? On that note, I also hate Thanks in advance. so if I suddenly decide Im not doing this for you, will you be sending another email revoking that thanks, then? Maybe its worse, but I use This is a reminder that and then This is your 2nd reminder notice that and finally This is your 3rd reminder that.. You know, I think everyones got their pet peeves with email. Oh FFS we havent even closed this topic yet and youre diverting the attention to something else? Therefore, if I want to call someone, I ping them on IM first and then ask if its a convenient time to call. Me: OK, Ill pick some and have a draft for you to review next week. 1. We dont have a parking procedure. I resisted the urge to bang my head on her desk. Ill email her to call me. In order to post your question we need your email to notify you when the response will be available. Example Sentences for Step 1 We would like you to know how much we have appreciated serving you this past year. Sending The flight I was supposed to send this on is cancelled. ****-----------------------THE BASE:This listing is for one *large* toony African wild dog foam base to make your own fursuit or mascot costume. So I emailed her that I had tried the codes but got an error message, and ended the email please advise, thanks, Cassie. :). A complete search of the internet has found these results: Please let me know which one you preferis the most popular phrase on the web. These are some of my other pet peeves: Like better But Americans are more likely to use the phrase "likebetter" when talking. Get extra help with longer text and special files. ", Its one of the best way of improving written skills. I had other people read them and they never got angry from my emails, they said my emails read as clear and matter of fact. I sometimes wish I could use 10-4 in emails (to mean recieved and understood). So once a week Im sending something, since shes not always in the office, but I never know when that will be. I just think its a nice transition to end an email. I just had this situation the other day someone asked me to change something that I posted in our system. w.onload = loader; Like the OP says: The addition of please advise feels demanding and bratty and of course redundant. i really like it and never considered that it could be seen as condescending! I agree that benefit of the doubt is important when reading emails just because tone can be hard to convey correctly sometimes, but it seems like an oxymoron to say dont read into tone that isnt there when you have no way to know what the tone is supposed to be aside from what you can grasp by the words the sender used. Although if I usually stop by to ask a question I always open with, Hi do you have a minute? so they can tell me if its not a great time to drop by and maybe come back five minutes later. I guess they could say, Can I help the person who is next? But that, while grammatical, still sounds odd. PizzaSquared * April 13, 2015 at 3:15 pm. So I dont always like assuming there are a limited number of solutions. See a translation 1 like Highly-rated answerer Yom 17 Jul 2017 Korean @OldGeezer Thank you for your help! Its really good to conserve on Es, so that future generations may have some. + Read the full interview, I love that TextRanch editors are real people who revise the text and provide feedback it makes it so personal. I am not a fan of please advise either but it is pretty common and probably not meant to sound rude. Personally, I tend to say something like Let me know, thanks! or Can you please let me know? when indicating I need a response and Im not ending with an obvious question. How may I help you? or even Next in line, please., I have fortunately never heard that phrase , but I suspect that somewhere along the way Whos next? got combined with I can take/help the next customer in line (or something similar), Ok, I can see that. No. JMO of course. English (US) "please let me know a time that is convenient for you" or "please let me know what time is convenient for you" sounds more natural, but yes, this is polite. On the please advise thing. Please let me know. I typically would just say, This is a/Another reminder to please make sure you have X and Y done today. Please advise. Or How do I save a word file? ", Textranch corrects my mistakes and tells me what is wrong in the sentence, and they responds quickly.". Option 1 likely will result in this behavior but Option 2 will accomplish this.. Although I usually prefer let me know what you think since I know please advice grates on some people. I know Im starting to react badly to anyone saying I have a question or I have a *quick* question (questions in my industry are never quick) or Can I ask you a question? because I hear it fifty times a day, for example. Or someone is just trying to convey some type of information to a group of people using intermediaries so they dont have to micromanage every department like the district manager to the dept. I read it as deferential. Friday, 1/28: 10am - 12pm EST; 2pm - 4pm EST. Yes the way it grates on me is when I get a message that says please advise, I take time to actually give a suggestion or remedy, and then either hear nothing or find out that they did whatever they wanted anyway without actually listening to my advice. Except with the way you worded it, youre implying that your boss *has* to go with one of the three options you came up with as opposed to coming up with their own idea. Your text is being reviewed by one of our Experts.We will notify you when your revision is ready. I love the Urban Dictionary definitioncorporate jargon for WTF :D, Oh yes, I absolutely have seen it used this way, this is a really good translation haha. How do you feel about putting those words in bold instead? I moved from big city to mid-Michigan and West Michigan though. I used to manage a group of volunteers for a Nigerian 419 scam warning website. So now it causes a twitch when others use it, but I know its all on me. I bet there are people reading here and saying, Omg, they are talking about ME. I hope that they realize that its just trends. Exactly. [.] Because it was sitting in my barn / shop for over 12 years!! Privacy Policy(function (w, d) { :) and yes, there are a lot of customary informal misspellings there. Because it is deferential, I would view it as an obnoxious phrase only if used by a manager to a direct report and not vice versa. For example, assume there is a question about how satisfied you are with your current car. It just comes off as sort of short to me, especially when there are . Well, except when someone isnt responding. It is a benefit to do this as often as possible. Its not the check-in; thats polite enough. In mine, please advise is typically used when someones pretty irritated with you. Thank you! AHHHHH. Here you can set your new address email. Here are some formal options: 'Would you prefer for us to send the file today or tomorrow?' 'Please tell me whether you would like the file sent today or tomorrow.' 'Is it preferable for the file to be sent today or tomorrow?' 'Please contact us in regards to the preferred delivery date of the file. (I wont get into the aggravating colleague who copies the boss on EVERY (sorry for the shouty capitals) email exchange between us, which is another reason why my emails resemble business letters I look more professional than she. Can I help the next person in line? is much better. It seems like, no matter what, there are phrases that really tick some people off. . I supervise a manager who falsified an employee write-up but I dont think she should be fired, getting out of shared intern housing, why are so many executives condescending, and more, interviewer fake-rejected me to see if I would fight for the job. i kind of agree with the letter writer. 3 months ago. Id go for something like, Id appreciate your help in this matter. Ive actually built a macro into our corporate chat program where I type (512 and it expands into (512) 123-4567 or tell me your # and Ill call you. Please let us know if gets his speech back. Especially annoying if its a repeat offender one of my co-workers and I used to joke that it actually meant please give me advice so I can ignore it and do whatever I want anyway, and then blame you when it went wrong because then I can CYA and say well, I asked Meg Murry for her advice and carefully neglect to mention that I didnt actually follow her advice. I use Please advise (and have taken it from others in the same grain in which I use it) more along the lines of I am not moving forward with any of this until you have your input on the matter. Maybe Ive been annoying folks all along without even knowing it. Thanks, Ive never heard sleeps in the US. Even more frequently, the recipient will forward an email up the chain, unbeknownst to the author. You obviously understand what they are saying but choose to read more of a personal message into it. So Ive taken to using Thanks, Dana every.single.time. My grandmother (who was born in 1912 in Oklahoma) once said at a family buffet dinner, My lands, shouldnt we serve the menfolk first? because people were lining up to fill their plates. Ummmmmmm. A nun in grammar school taught us math. ", Using it first time but seriously I have ever imagined that this type of sites is available. Fastest Times Our team of editors is working for you 24/7. Two women went shopping and they decided to buy a jacket. If a client needs something, and a person in a cubicle at home office is holding up the matter, I have no problem using it succinctly, but nicely. I find this thread fascinating. Thanks! We wouldnt say Please advise out loud, because we know how it sounds. So I write all my emails in a formal, succinct manner. You can see something similar pretty often in discussions about works of fiction. While this was designed with an African wild dog in mind, it could easily be used for another canine if you use different ears. So, yeah, for that the please advise would be super annoying. Example from today: Good morning SARA!! Ask what you mean to ask. I also feel it may have something to do with the nature of the relationship you have with the sender it drove me up the wall to receive an email with please advise in it. But if they are generally fine as coworkers, then youre better off not reading into how ever they phrase their emails. It is now on your side of the line. 7. Please advise.. Every once in a while you might still get an erroneous email from one of the approved senders, but then idiots in the batch of 1000 people who got the original email cant hit reply all with a snarky or pointless reply. This will save me on average X amount of time per day. Tuesday, 1/25: 2pm - 4pm EST. It is Something That Is Not Done in our culture (which tends to be very email/IM-focused). It seems more like the person assumes that an IM is less invasive/interrupting than a phone call, so they want to check in before calling. Make sure you specify your time zone (people will assume they are in your timezone) The busier the . She did not last very long in that job anyway. I would be happy to hear irritating, stupid stuff all day, if I was getting paid. The editors' comments are helpful and the customer service is amazing. Complete. Thats a great use for it. . Juste tre sr de me faire savoir quels animaux vous prfrez la caisse. Or speaking whale a la Dory in Finding Nemo. In fact I just searched my emails for please advise and 99% of them (250 results since July/August-ish last year) were from this guy! When I have a good relationship with someone and see please advise, I think nothing of it. Instead, we head to a conference room for almost all phone calls. Aaaaaarrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhh! If I have asked a series of questions, I put a final, actionable question at the end. Nor could she understand why having a staff member walk 500m in the dark would be a problem. Man, I cant stand when people use please advise but it is a lot more tolerable if they clearly state in the message specifically what action they want me to take. Of course I fixed my husband a plate when he was seeing to the kids, or otherwise engaged but otherwise, why would a man not fix his own dang plate. Sure, but it presumes that theyll agree to your request. Its difficult to find delicate ways to follow-up with someone when youre unsure if somethings fallen off their radar or not. I had to Google it the first time someone said it to me, because I wasnt sure if it was supposed to be vaguely insulting or extremely polite. 3. I admit Ive never heard of this interpretation of that closing. Who cares if someone writes please advise, I honestly doubt they are including it to annoy you. No one is demanding that you stop holding up an important project more like, I would like to take my break today at 5 instead of 6. Yeah, I use it when I cant think of one single question Im asking, but rather Im looking for someones take on how to handle a situation. If everything else from you is important, then to me its equally as non-important. Yes, when I read this question, my first thought was that I use it as sort of a sign-off after having gotten deeply into details. Im good at sussing this out now, but for the first year I was in this role, I found it really challenging. In most cases, I find that the person writing this at the end of an email already asked me a question in the email. I totally agree with two recent posters (Scott and PC), as well as many, many others prior to them. = Question Please tell me where you WENT. At times, I have described a situation and dont bother with Qs since I need advice on how to proceed (usually politically dangerous situations). I have marked this listing as Complete. Closing your account will prevent you from accessing your past revisions, and you will no longer be eligible for a FREE daily revision. I mean, what other phrase could you possibly use to indicate that youre ready to help the next person in line? I dont need to be reminded in the next sentence to please advise. And Id hope that someone would cut me some slack should I unknowingly pick the wrong set of words. In-depth corrections and comments from a senior editor. How do you feel about emails that say, Just wanted to let you know that blah blah blah.? Lowest prices Up to 50% lower than other online editing sites. Although I would agree that there are worse email offenses. Too much time in food service, probably. Usually it is something that has gotten lost in my inbox and I appreciate someone sending me a gentle reminder rather than just cursing my lack of responsiveness behind my back. they have to book their own travel (through our agent), send me slides in advance, be available for some conference calls, etc. Why did the author use "prefer"? I use it in much the same way, and Ive never been told to cut it out (directly or indirectly). Free and automatic, this tool compares phrases. At other jobs you wouldve gotten some serious side-eye for that phrase. The sender was supposed to gather enamel samples to base a decision on, but flaked on doing it. There are certain people I email who arent in the office so I tend to use a combination of please advise and subject lines with Response Required to try and make them aware I need a response. is it unprofessional to have an email address with 69 in it? Do not leave your belongings at the front desk. ! Using please advise is my office-appropriate way of telling someone theyre on my list. What did you get done?: Oh, just the needful.. No. Certainly, sometimes you have a new employee, a weird problem, etc. Im pretty sure all 200,000 plus employees at my company use it regularly! I dont intend to sound bratty or condescending when I use it, I just have trouble finding a closer and email etiquette says that I should every. As a non-native speaker, I always have second thoughts about my expressions. Early in my career I had a boss who would act super confused when I made a mistake. Labyrinthine One of my coworkers uses VR. is also grammatically sound but a bit less formal. It does havea slightly more formal feel to it than I prefer, but its not like the horrid and condescending gentle reminder.. Could you please advise? I feel that, if I leave this last sentence out, my email will sound bratty without it with an underlying message of, Theres a problem with your request, DO SOMETHING. There must be a lot of secretly snotty people in the South who are thinking mean things when they say Bless your heart, but Im glad Ive not met them. :D I thought text is edit by machine, but it's real editor.Stunning! Otherwise, youd phrase it as a question or request, like, Id appreciate your input on this. In other contexts, obviously, the words are used more literally. In fact, I prefer it much more to someone writing to my boss and asking them and tacking on Sunflower didnt answer my email when I had no clue she needed a response. Its so delightfully vague! should I be so emotionally drained by managing? } Many people in my company use Please Advise, so Im barely phased by it now. Try these: Yes, Wednesday suits me fine? I tell myself. Some additional . Sometimes Ive had people reply with Do I need to know more? or Is there more? and then we can have a conversation about that, rather than me give them a long monologue without checking in with them first to make sure they want to know more. I also use it like this. Both are perfectly fine, use which ever you prefer! She could have wrote let me know if you have any questions and I wouldnt have been offended at all. I think the phrase Please advise means Define my problem, then solve it for me. As such, I think its a pretty irritating/lazy way to ask for help. I only use this phrase when I am generally asking for advice, not in a snarky way. It reads as abrupt to me. It loses the effect and can be irritating/condescending when you use it too often. (they also talk about how many sleeps it will be until they do this or that which to me is cloying baby talk but then so is brekky, prezzie and many other phrases the British are fond of. I wouldnt ever want to imply that Im telling my boss what to do. Let me know if I can be of any help. Regarding battles 1&2. That one really irritates me too. Its used in the absence of a question, so the reader doesnt take it like an Fyi but actually acts on it. We talked about x but you did y, and Im really confused about how that happened. With furrowed brow and head tilt. She said the word alright way too much. People do notice that. I use please advise, but I use it sparingly, usually after I have presented options and just need some help deciding which option would go best for this particular situation. I own a small business called Archetype Origins LLC, I will send you an invoice if you prefer to pay with a credit/debit card (taxes may apply). We can either 1) switch to white chocolate 2) continue with milk chocolate or 3) form a team to identify new chocolate options. Say what you mean to say. use greater than/less than, not parentheses. I think it sounds a little formal, but not offensive, so this letter surprises me a bit. How should I handle your request? That comes off as way more snarky/passive-agressive than please advise. That said, I would never use please advise without more to the sentence. I dont feel comfortable using it as a full sentence because it sounds a little stilted to me, but I dont mind when other people use it. Its politely collaborative. Thats more of a benign request. This. Any help would be . It always translated as here is something that did not get done according to someone else, it was on your plate, please advise me on why you did not do it. I invariably had to respond with here is what I did last month, this is when I sent the information, this is when I tried to contact that person and got no response, gosh its oily under this bus. (okay, the last bit was merely implied). I do too! Ill ask for advice, input, and/or guidance, but never with that hated two-word statement. Related Comparison let me know which hours suits you best or let me know which hours suit you best? (Or would it? Yeah, those are not please advise situations! My newest habit is ending question-filled emails with Let me know and thanks. I almost always used please advise passive-aggressively with my boss but I never read it that way when others sent it to me so I dont know! When you ask the question, it gives people a chance to decide if they want to know more, or not. It sets my teeth on edge. 1) Using the royal we when clearly asking for a specific person in the group to help. is this FYI, or is there a question or task buried somewhere in here for me?. Ive been trying to figure out what it is about phrases like this that bugs me. Friendly reminder is bad too. (examples of why/how this will happen). w.addEventListener("load", loader, false); I dont use that often, but when I do its because people occasionally read past the question parts of emails or respond to 1 out of the 2 things I need them to answer. Is that better? teehee! I mean sure, I could email her and ask what number she can be reached at- but if shes not at her desk chances are she cant take the call right then anyway. Not a fan. I can definitely think of specific people who only use please advise in the negative context. I thought, Maybe Im wrong? If both are wrong then what would be the right thing to say. This is great advice! Are these people abusing the cc feature? I picked up the doubt thing from a really awesome math professor I had in college who would ask does anyone have any doubts? after going over something on the board.

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