He then speaks of the day Aug. 8, 1975- the same story quoted above, but it is told a bit differently, minus some important details he shared in 1988. Dager was a pioneer on this subject as he gave a warning of the false prophets that would change the church; the very things we are seeing today. Incredible as it seems, Mike Bickle was, however, soon won over by supernatural signs, to believe that Bob Jones must be from God. Most ministries in Kansas City who had contact with him did not believe his prophecies and visions were truly from God. The 2000's will be the Glory of God. And you know there is about a list of 12 people that are the problems why you are here. We were involved with the youth leaders, and we even gave them quite a bit of land in Lake Ozarks. A prominent figure in the New Apostolic Reformatio n, Jones was the most controversial of the ' Kansas City Prophets .'. . I said, Five or ten a night! He said, Oh, yes, all the time. We pray God will use it to open the eyes of many and to help keep many of His children out of such deception. A former charismatic, said, The book is excellent and I have no doubt whatever that the Lord is going to use it in a mighty way. Jones has not changed his perspective in over 20 years, he continues to influence many. Prayer Is A Powerful Weapon 5 Effective 10 Ways To Invest In Your Relationship With Woman Dies Of Heart Attack, Comes Back To Gods Word For You Today: Jesus Is Your Friend, Remarkable Miracles That Are Available For You Too, Turn Down The Noise And Find God In Your Stillness, Prayer Is A Powerful Weapon 5 Effective Strategies For Breakthrough, Jesus Revolution Tops Box Office, Beating Cocaine Bear At Previews, Students Who Attended Asbury Revival Testify: One Said Its Cool To Be A Christian, The Chosen & Candace Cameron Bure Win At This Years Movieguide Awards. For information see: www.wayoflife.org/about/makeanoffering.html. The church was birthed by the Holy Spirit , yet Jones is speaking of a new birth to a new breed of youth that will have power only despots covet for. We discuss how God led him to this decision, his thoughts and feelings behind the decision and we also answer all the questions everyone has about . a prophet or apostle, there is a huge denial, out of naivety and fear, not knowing the Scriptures nor correct Biblical response. Prophet Jones was able to recite from memory the price of virtually every object in the room." . I say naaaay to this story, we have yet to see a talking horse in Scripture but we have see a donkey speak rebuke to its rider, Balaam who was the prophet for hire. All this to say that I Love you very much, Ernie, and Im behind you 100% in this matter. Isaiah 9:15: "The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail." Bob Jones first became known by being part of the Kansas city prophets back in the 1980's. Most ministries in Kansas City who had contact with him did not believe his prophecies and visions were truly from God. I have, however, heard from quite a number of our people who used to attend the Fellowship. And it will start a Gods fire( Bob Jones,Visions and Revelations, 1988. seven young people under 30 died in a 6-week period. Kansas City Chiefs [@chiefs]. OPH ,p. 2) And the reason I get talking about BobBob is so integral in the first 18 months of our history, because the Lord ordained it. To where you can rest from your labors and God will work His work through you in your rest and in your peace. BEWARE OF THE "PROPHETIC" WARLOCKS AND WITCHES! I would have this comment on the supposed fact that two young people on a motorcycle was proof of his predictionWill and Judy Pliska were accidentally killed by a Christian man who grievously attended the funeral service. I believe it's a powerful message and pertinent for this time. Bob Jones' prophecy. These type of descriptions and non- conformity to the Bibles Jesus certainly raises the suspicion of a another Jesus, or spirit at work. Chiefs Super Bowl 2023 Victory. In 1991, Swaggart was again in hot water when police in Indio, California, stopped him on a traffic violation and found that the woman riding with him was a prostitute. But on repentance, testimonies, the manifest presence of God., ______________________ The exorcism didnt last. Also Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and Finland. (P88, p. 30) The Lord began to dealsovereignlywith him in the prophetic realm; he began to see technicolor visions in 1974and he said the Lord gave him nearly 100 dreams and visions concerning this movement over that 9-year periodfrom 74 to 83. In the early 80's God said He was going to change the Soviet Union. Me. c. Walt Simon, in his 40s; died December 16, 1976. , We need not wonder whether He [Jesus] will come back; HE CANNOT. Furthermore, it has come to my attention thathe prophesied that seven young men would die and that the pastor and church would not listen to him. All of these highly unusual exp.s, so far are not necessarily disqualifying factors, but need to be discerned, and are suspect extra-Biblical phenomenon. Isaiah 9:15: "The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail." Bob Jones first became known by being part of the Kansas city prophets back in the 1980's. During this time period there was a group called Grace Ministries' ministerial team which consisted of Paul Cain, Bob Jones, John Paul Jackson, David Parker . For men like me the Spirit of Elijah has fallen upon. Christ can only return when the people of God have reached that place of unity in which the Spirit and the Bride can say, Come (p. 73). Many Christians are posting about the prophecy again believing that these events are connected. Yesterday it was Toronto, today we have the freshfire revival in Lakeland, tomorrow it will be somewhere else. During this time period there was a group called Grace Ministries ministerial team which consisted of Paul Cain, Bob Jones, John Paul Jackson, David Parker, Jim Goll, Francis Frangipane and Mike Bickle that were of the former the Kansas City Fellowship (that became the Metro Vineyard of Kansas City). Home Secretary Suella Braverman has expressed her concern after police recorded a 'hate incident' at a school after pupils caused 'slight damage' to a copy of the Quran when it fell on the floor . Of course, I had no way to interpret that. There will bepeople standing against you, and the Lord says, Do not answer them, as the Lord Himself will answer them.*Augustine Acula was defrocked a few years later for homosexual activity, and viewed as a false prophet. 1 Cor. He starts getting five to ten dreams and visions a night from 1974 to the present, supposedly from God. . Another pastor in Kansas City, went to Mike with concerns about Bob, when he learned that Bob was now at Mikes church, because Bob had formerly been with him. Weeks was also forced to move out of his $2.5 million country club estate. And all of his weaknesses and all of his mistakes and all of his other things that are bad, (cause I got to balance this thing out to keep him humble), the Lord still used him. And some of them has never come back to the Lord since then., MB: So. Visions and Revelations.). http://www.banner.org.uk/kcp/Abberent%20Practises.pdf, The Ernie Gruen Report (Conversation between Mike Bickle and Bob Jones), 1. If Mikes ministry and vision was built upon false prophecy, as difficult as it may seem to acknowledge, Mikes labour was in vain. BOB JONES WINDS UP IN A MENTAL INSTITUTION BJ: In my late 30s, my nerves wentI went to Topeka (the Veterans Hospital mental ward); I signed in and I immediately run off and I got in hell again, so they took me back and I thought, Ive got to set it out. So I walked the halls out there night and day. MB: And after (over 20) years of alcoholism and street fighting and all the gambling and etc., etc., and so now, he is so steeped in alcoholism BJ: It was hell. Next was Chuck-JOHNEL on February 10, 2018. exposed his extravagant lifestyle and his shady fund-raising practices. A demon appeared to me and said if you ever share that prophesy again Ill kill you. And so I told him I dont belong to you anymore, I belong to the lord and Im not afraid of you, you have no, uh, no uh, place to touch me,well he did that day and I went to the Lord in deathandI stood in a line and as I looked to my left there were a lot of people on like a roller and like in a supermarket where they were rolling past and there were a huge number of people on that line. 5. cause most of them were negativethey threw him out as being in the occult and to putting curses on people. All we ask is that you give proper credit. The pastor of the church mentioned in the story, and. The Bible teaches it the resurrection that makes us immortal. (2 Peter 1:16-21) Once you buy the package of believing these people have a special place with and word from God, you are their prey and will be brought under their witchcraft and control (2 Peter 2:19). - www.wayoflife.org. Hebrews 1: IN TIMES PAST, God spoke to the fathers through the prophets. Certainly Jones has not received enough correct Bible teaching to recognize there are other influences going on his life. And I was on a line where there werent very many and we were walking and when I went beyond this life I went into a cave and I looked out the cave and saw a man down there at the cave entrance and he was white light, but there was a whiter light than that white light holding hands out to me and my first thought was did I die clean, was my robe spotted cause I come out of such deep skin and I was concerned to see if I was clean and there was a man that stood alongside of me I never been able to see his face, hes the paracletos, the Holy Spirit.. he spoke to me and said look now you can see-I looked and my robe was white.The Holy Spirit is walking with Jones but not anyone else? d.His prophetic ministry is rejected by church after church, until he meets Mike Bickle. prophet bob jones biography. They were not in sin. And in six weeks, seven of the youth died in six weeks. ! 487 pages, available in print and eBook editions from Way of Life Literature -- www.wayoflife.org, THE PENTECOSTAL-CHARISMATIC MOVEMENTS: THE HISTORY AND THE ERROR, www.wayoflife.org/about/makeanoffering.html. What bothered me the most was Viola and I had some blood kin in there too. Read carefully the account, given by Mike Bickle and Bob Jones, during interviews in the fall of 1988:BJ:= Bob JonesViola and I were involved in a church in 76. (ROH, p. 6)And then he began to proceed to tell me an hour and a half or two hours, though I forgot the time, of this most unbelievable layout of visions that you could ever imagine in your mindIncredible, not like because it was so realisticincredible, like the first time you ever see Star Wars. And you the children of God will come into that Papa/ son relationship. Jones believes a spirit named Dominus, is Jesus. Anytime God is going to start a fire, he starts it with lightning. The demon speaking to him in the hospital, Everybody has just mistreated you all your life. In the 1990's, we began to get a revelation of the Government of God. We have been praying for God to expose to the congregation at Kansas City Fellowship the errors in order that so many of Gods sincere people will not be damaged. Men that looked like drugs because that was the god they served on earth In hell you will serve the god that you served on earth.. . Mary Gaston Jones died on May 12, 1989 in her 101st year83 years after the death of her husband's first wife. And I was in a dark place and I looked around and I could see that I was in a cave and I looked down there and then my thoughts were, Oh, Lord, did I get my robe clean? Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. . . The 1980s reveal the prophets of God. That certain overcomers become immortal on the earth before Christ even returns. Established in 1974, Way of Life Literature is a fundamental Baptist preaching and publishing ministry based in Bethel Baptist Church, London, Ontario, of which Wilbert Unger is the founding Pastor. Things we do not want copied and distributed freely are items like the Fundamental Baptist Digital Library, print editions of our books, electronic editions of the books that we sell, the videos that we sell, etc. - Receive these reports by email 4. A must read. Bob Jones started having prophetic experiences at the age of 7 years old, and continued to have experiences his entire life. But, he says, Im going to minister. And he says, My first task is to get you to believe it. I said, What movement? He said, You dont know nothin, do you? I said, The Lord just told me to come here; I dont know a clue about anything. And that began the bizarre 18-month period of events. The author was led to Christ by a Pentecostal in 1973 and has researched the movement ever since. . Since that time he has seen many, many times five to ten visions and dreams a night. Hed say, They got me last night. He said,If you knock that off well move back into all the signs and wonders you want to. In 1883, when Bob was born, Alex Jones, a Confederate veteran, was working a small farm in Dale County, Alabama, but within months the family moved to Brannon Stand west of Dothan.All the unmarried Jones children helped work the farm there, and Bob Jones often sold the family . As told above, Bob out right lied about his warning prophecies, at Berean Baptist Church, and actually recounted two different stories, both lies, as the pastor of the church and another member, recounted what actually transpired. (approx. This man had a strong proven prophetic ministry, but I had never heard of him. d. J.R. Smith, young man; date of death uncertain. As he prayed for understanding the Lord revealed to him that many people have been in the bud. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Design a site like this with WordPress.com, In discussing Bob Jones disqualifying history, heres my comment and a response from one commentator, ALLEGED SUPERNATURAL EXPERIENCES IN HIS EARLY DAYS. Mike BicklesWierd Church In St. Louis Sheffield Family Life Center April 17, 1990 Dear Ernie: Greetings in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ! The CORPORATE Christ they promote is identical to the Cosmic Christ of the occultics. 8:20). Biblical tongues were real languages that were spoken miraculously by those who had never learned the languages. But a lot of people have got healed by it, too. During the height of . The cancer was trying to have me, but THE WORD OF GOD SAID I WAS HEALED THROUGH WHAT JESUS DID ON CALVARY. Mike Bickle is not anymore reassuring:Now, obviously, probably about 80% of whats in the Body of Christ thats called prophecy is fleshiness. Do you need a new Bible or Christian Gifts? I whole heartedly agree with all gospel action, but signs are not being scrutinized, prophecies and many prophets are not being examined. I have only listened to a few of the tapes from Kansas City Fellowship, and read only a few of their publications. However, Paul has resisted this process and has continued in his sin (Special Bulletin, MorningStar Ministries, Oct, 19, 2004). I had hoped that there would have been some discipline taken at S.K.C.F. It was after Ford threatened to sue, that Crouch paid almost a half-million dollars to keep the matter quiet. The grandiose vision of the Movement was, in fact, expanded by a whole series of visions that Bob Jones supposedly had between 1974 and 1983:MB:When Bob first walked in the office on March 7, 1983, he said, Ive come to get you to believe in a movement that is worldwide and that is going to touch the nations of the earth withsuch power and glory that it will go far beyond the book of Acts. The part that is true is that Bob had been prophesying and reporting his dreams and predictions for years in Kansas City. One plague was influenza while the other was like influenza in nature. You are welcome to make copies of these at your own expense and share them with friends and family, but they cannot be posted to web sites. Russian Red Army by Bob Jones. My hands turned blue, and then they turned purple. She said Bob was wearing a beautiful smile and the glory of the Lord shone on his face. Barry suddenly starts talking about an old Bob Jones prophecy about the "honkers". GODMEN, plural! W.M. The Holy of Holies which your children are called to enter in can crash that threshold. (Without clarifying the voice he continues), ..And immediately, I cried out for help. For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. The Chiefs Super Bowl win is 33 days into the year and 333 to go because it's a leap year. It was so bizarre I couldnt believe anybody could think of something like that. Supernatural experiences are an every day and night occurrence to Mr. Jones, and there is no end to how flamboyant the stories can be. It will eventually dawn on most people that this is error, but only after many lives are destroyed. Bob Jones Prophecy Regarding Billy Graham . Like Daniel who functioned at an incredible level, Bob has often told leaders their dreams and experiences, as well . And the whole thing was shut down. As you know, that church fell to pieces a little later. *This is a common, yet dangerous, erroneous mindset many people in the prophetic/apostolic movement entertain. The Pentecostal-charismatic movement is one of the major building blocks of the end-time, one-world church, and young people in particular need to be informed and forewarned. . You stood before the Lord BJ: He was showing me a throne room and He was showing me a seat that I needed to sit in one dayand there was a guide that stood in front of me, and he was like red sunglasses (F88, p.2-3)/, http://www.bobjones.org/?zone=/unionactive/view_page.cfm&page= 2020202020Photos202620Bio 27s2020202020 Bob Jones Web Site, When only seven years old and walking on a dirt road in Arkansas; the Arch Angel Gabriel appeared to Bob Jones on a white horse and blew a double silver trumpet in his face. Viola and I, we dearly loved them. Joseph Jones -- Joseph Jones is a little known Kansas City prophet who was friends with Bob Jones and was involved in the early prayer and fasting that set the direction of the movement. I was inside I didnt have my wires grounded in the basement down there, and I grabbed ahold of the refrigerator, and lightning hit the wires outside, and a great blue flame came in. Bob is so integral in the first 18 months of our history, The grandiose vision of the Movement was, in fact, expanded by a whole series of visions that Bob Jones supposedly had between 1974 and 1983. They will give instruction in the effect of colour in the healing of disease and particularly the efficiency of violet light in lessening human ills and in curing those physical plane sicknesses which originate in the etheric body. Sir Bob Jones gave up drinking a year ago and says he still feels like a young man. Christ gave only one legitimate cause, and that is fornication, yet the two said the split involves no third party on either side.. his healing power came when he was struck by lightning: The part that is true is that Bob had been prophesying and reporting his dreams and predictions for years in Kansas City. It was then that Bob gave a word about Kansas City. Youre going to see revelations of our Papa like youve never seen before. 4 1990). Youve got some intercession thats gone up that Papas saying yes to. . Bob was observing the people in these lines. 6He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. Understanding The Holy Of Holies Inside The Temple. ), 6. I am passionate in sharing Gods love to the world through the skills and talents God has blessed me with. If you want to change something, you must believe it enough to speak it. / prophet bob jones biography. Prophet Bob Jones is pictured here prophesying to the first nations (Native American) people, as well as delivering a powerful word to the believers who came for a touch of Heaven. So we realize that; so whats our reaction to that? . Jones is claiming to have actually died and was at the judgment, his judgment. Help me, Lord Jesus. In discussing Bob Jones disqualifying history, heres my comment and a response from one commentator. The property developer and columnist won't confirm how many children he has though it's at least nine . David Cloud, Way of Life Literature, P.O. And there were billions of them. But from that time forth my hands worked funny. Besides that, he was never a member. The long and the short of it was that God had a new direction and, in essence,He was sending me to Kansas City. . . And I warned them, but they really got upset the last time I warned them. Much of our material is available for free, such as the hundreds of articles at the Way of Life web site. That is when really inspired-teachers began to rise up and show us a new understanding already of the written word. Their home in Tampa was valued at $2.22 million and the condo in New York, at $3.5 million. And in thy name cast out devils and in thy name done many wonderful works? False prophecy can be a catalyst for false, counterfeit revival, moves of God and ministries! The prophesy was that my church at that time would fail. Blinded by a refusal to judge anything, esp. Chiefs Super Bowl 2023 Victory. The memorial program handed my wife and me at Billy's coffin (crafted by prison inmates), said, "Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them" (Rev. You are the one that cursed the leadership. And it would begin a wave at Washington, and it would come on down and go through the whole United States ". . The color blue can also mean one is not getting enough oxygen. 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