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>>>>> described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. What does the mask on the pillow at the end of Eyes Wide Shutmean? Padraig has been writing about film online since 2012, when a friend asked if he'd like to contribute the occasional review or feature to their site. But which'party' is Bill referring to? There are many aspects of it that ARE still a mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. That is what she was" implying that her death> is of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Ziegler> chooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by the> Zieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by his> desire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house> ("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" WebIn Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut, the protagonist Bill arrives at a secret party/orgy: Shortly after arriving, he is warned by a masked woman to leave ASAP. He did not know who she was: she was wearing> a mask. How? The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply > following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface. >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. >Apparently word of Bill's> entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. In one of the final scenes, Bill comes home and as he comes to bed he sees Alice (Nicole Kidman) sleeping next to the same Venetian mask he wore at the party. He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. The lost of public phones booths will kill off Superman, Dr. Who, and Colin Farrell roles. Not only are they the REAL "anti-intellectuals," they were schizoid as hell and projected it onto the social mess, creating political gibberish, that has NO usefulness to anyone. (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. As 1999 approached, what little was known about Eyes Wide Shut was almost indecently tantalising. That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him atthe orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. > I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the > reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the > crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. Perhaps itwould have worked better if there had been a photo in the newsarticle. The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." And if it's *not* supposed to be obvious, thatmeans that Polanski screwed up. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. > The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy > all along, If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? >Even in the morgue he still might not have> been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the> body. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). The rhizomatic uncertainties anduncanny inconsistencies multiply And it is not immediately clearwhether Bill connects this Amanda to the masked woman at Somerton orto the overdosed Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom. WebEyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubricks love letter to his wife. ". Much as you often dream of people, in a distorted way, whom you met while awake. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). Desire is always the desire of theOther our dreams constituring the realisation of desire. WebEyes Wide Shut Flat Mask By NomadMessenger From $8.79 Wide Awake during 2020, by Haus of Butterfly Flat Mask By hausofbutterfly From $10.99 Eyes Wide Shut Flat Mask By ArjunVile From $10.99 Colorful watercolor ink splash woman portrait Flat Mask By Misschemical From $9.16 Colorful watercolor ink splash woman portrait Flat Mask By --alt.flame Special Forces"All successful software gets changed." > If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. Like much of the director's work like The Shining, movie fans love to debate the symbolism and meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.net, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6g66OYoKI, "Steven L." wrote in message. while walking down one of the NY streets, the background glowsbeautifucally. > Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is another > mystery. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? Harry, you are calling him a troll for criticizing your manic, vain and pretentious word salad? I am normally the last guy in theworld to criticize somebody for using big words, but, besides that you'renot bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using themserves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. Other interpretations are floating around, including the idea Alice was also at the party, and while there's no set meaning for how the mask got on that pillow, the idea Alice put it there herself seems to be the prevailing theory. He may literally have to go underground, or to the moon, etc. Crumb Eye. But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. WebOne of the masked women warns him he is in terrible danger. The first several times I saw the film I though what the op thought. (and i'm sure that doesn't even begin to label them in full) They were nutcases. I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. He stares down at her but that'sit, and Kubrick tryied in vain to tlel his stories visually so itshould be considerd from a visual perspective. 2. Regardless of the different actresses in the credits, what I see is that the woman at the ceremony, who redeems him, apparently the "mysterious woman," has a small freckle/mole on her chest about 2 inches to her left side of center, above her breasts, which I think, can also be seen slightly on the corpse. Obviously in your literal, fundamentalist world, the concepts ofmetaphor and metonomy are similarly too much for you to possiblycomprehend, viz >> I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. Orgy? The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. In a buddhist sutra, Sakyamuni, criticized the compulsive mental masturbators and referred to them as people "counting ganges sands." What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I know." It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" Orgy? <<<<<<<<<<<<<. Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come together. And wouldn't he really feel more at home in amore errrrrrrrr Gnostic setting? > It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. 1. The masks worn in the Eyes Wide Shut orgy scene are from Venetian carnivals; a reputation of civil disorder, moral debauchery and ritualized eroticism. Mandy was not the same woman. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because it> gives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerful> position - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing to> the demands and realities of Ziegler's world). It iscertainly distinctly possible that the woman at the party is otherthan the woman at the Somerton ritual, though the former does appearto be the Mandy that ends up in the morgue (she never made it to'rehab', as Dr Bill had suggested but never bothered following up,just later shunted home by Ziegler's heavies); remember, we only haveZiegler's explanation/confirmation that they are the same 'Mandy',hardly a reliable witness given his contradictory assertionsthroughout the film. Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. This is still a mystery. >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was> showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! > Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in a> depressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethal> drug overdose. And of course how did > the mask get on his pillow? Mon 14th Feb 2022 19.00 GMT. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, -- Dennis/Endyhttp://home.comcast.net/~endymion91/~I was born to rock the boat. Lets look at the basic plot of this film. As though testing how well Bill's implanted suggestions had taken..????? But the worst thing is your silly and smug arrogance. Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. Yes, and we could speculate even further: there are no dream sequenceswhatsoever in the film, Alice's story about the navel officer being arecollection of her past desires, not a portrayed dream as such atall. ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. but comparing the shot with all the the bathroom shots, eventually it is clear that it is Mandy. Why would he demand that she take offher mask if this were so? He's eventually discovered and forced to remove his mask but is saved from a bleak fate by another masked woman who tried to warn him to leave earlier. Same voice. >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? > not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using > them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. Was she the women at the party?" Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. -----Richard Schultz sch@mail.biu.ac.ilDepartment of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, IsraelOpinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University-----"It would have been like discussing sundials with a bat. <<<<<<<<<<. If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. Is that how youwould describe it? > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" <<<<<<<<<<. because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film > audience.>, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of> 'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simply> because of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?> And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member of> the power elite? The film centers on a profoundly unsatisfied couple tied together not by pure love, but by social convenience and appearances. >What else could> he call it? On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:36:03 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, byend.removethisbityousillyper@eskimo.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLfK535oxs. - Ziegler> wasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so as> to avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is just> between us").>>> What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning the> identities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),> sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps and> deadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just like> Ziegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' of> events. I think the voice would have rung a bell and the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so he was in shock. Amazing. I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.netRemove the NOSPAM before replying to me. i'm sure he knew that aaudiences would be sophisticated enough toexamine the bodies as bill is doing in the morgue. I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but the way you're saying it is silly. Statanic mass? It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film audience. And how does Bill know that a cape and a mask was appropriate attire? The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. In Dr. Bill's "dream," the masked woman he meets (played by Abigail Good) and who he later sees dead in the morgue, is a distortion of the woman he met at the party when he was still "awake" partying with his wife. Rather, heis beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the maskedwoman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her upclose in the morgue. I'm your Mutineer~ - Warren Zevon- -. (Just like we dream alone, even if we're in bed with someone else.). I actually had to look that up. I found them both disappointing. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)> would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elites> doesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who do> recognise the realities of social power and of desire are just> paranoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those who> attribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are being> properly paranoid). It was a > party nevertheless. >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? >on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >him. ME> Again. The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. Are we not acceptingZiegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectivelyinterpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlierevents of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeplysuspect account? SoZiegler's principal role in the film and in this scene is as anunscrupulous defender of wealth and power and as a power-brokerintermediary (laying down the Law while also routinely transgressingit), threateningly indicating to Bill just what the rich and powerfulcan do and what they can get away with. People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although > it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the > slightest. >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. There's like a billion posts here at alt.movies.kubrick and you cansearch the archives for this information. And the Somerton ritual is alsoambiguous; how, or rather why, for instance, does the masked womanupon first meeting the masked Bill, assert with such certainty that"You shouldn't be here", then followed by repeated warnings that hiscontinued presence at the ritual will get him in trouble?
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